CBP on Broker Continuing Education, What Brokers Need to Know

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Lalo So it’ll be fun. So we’ll make it fun. Don’t worry, Elena, I’m insisting, okay, and so what we’ll do is that I what I normally do is that we normally just say a quick hello to the audience, and then I’ll introduce you. And then, while I’ll do is that, I’ll reference previous episodes that we’ve had with the actual accreditors. And then we’ll, we’ll talk about, like, now we’re talking to, you know, the government side. And like, what you all might, you know, have for this. Okay, so should be about 30 minutes or so, and okay, let’s see. Let’s do this then. Okay, so here we go. Hi all, and welcome back to the simply trade podcast. Thank you all for joining us today. We have a special episode and where we are speaking with CBP, directly with CBP, regarding the continuing education credits and points that you need to earn if you’re a customer licensed Customs broker. So again, this is only for those of you that are licensed Customs workers, although if you’re not licensed, I mean, you should still continue. Do still have continuing education credits. And I mean not credits, but a continuing education just to keep up with the any of the new regulations, any of the new tariffs and any trade shifts and everything that’s been going on with trade but, but if you are a broker, you are required to take continuing education credits every three years this one, and then we’ll talk a little bit to CBP, a little bit more details, but this time around, so they have a cycle called a triennial. And the triennials every three years, obviously. And the last one started last year. But the but the the system on accrediting or getting the points and all that going took about a year, and so now there’s two years left in the triennial. And again, we’ll talk a little bit more about that, but let’s just go ahead and bring in our guest again. This is from CBP. Her name is Elena Ryan, and I’ve had the pleasure of talking to her in the past, we we discussed a little bit about the program, mainly because, if you all recall, we had an episode a few months back regarding the same topic, but we were talking to the accreditors. So there’s two sides of this. There’s actually three sides, four sides. Let’s a four sided coin. Number one is obviously CBP, who administers a program for continuing education. And then there’s accreditors, and in this case, there’s five accreditors that say this course is valued for these many points, and this course is for that much. There’s visits, there’s a different Elena can help us understand that a little bit more. And then the third side is obviously the the licensed brokers, they need to be taking the point the courses. And then lastly, there’s us, like global Training Center, the actual providers who do the actual training. We go to the accreditors to get our courses accredited. They tell us how many points licensed Customs Brokers come to us. They take their education. And it’s not just us. Of course, there’s hundreds of other folks that can provide training, including the government. And again, we’ll talk a little bit more about that. And then there is, you know, they take the courses their creditor saves it or holds it, and then CBP, at the end of the three years, will audit if necessary, that they did have the necessary points. Enough of that, let’s bring in Elena. Elena, thank you so much for joining us here on the podcast. Speaker 1 Thank you so much. It’s been a long time developing and it’s great to finally sit down with you and have a chat. Lalo Yes, I know Same here. Yeah, you got some fancy digs there, though. I mean, I love your Speaker 1 set. This is my living room. I podcast from here every day. This is our CBP studio. It’s, it’s absolutely wonderful, and I’m so it’s, it’s great to have a nice, professional looking background. Lalo Yeah, I love it. I love it. Yeah, we’ve had some other folks from CBP come on our show. But I guess Unfortunately for them, it was still like, halfway through the pandemic and, you know, and then still separating and everything. But, you know, this is cool, yeah. So anyway, well, thank you, and welcome to the show. So can you let us know a little bit more about yourself, like, what’s your like, official title and how that works into this program? Speaker 1 Sure, I’m my title is actually special advisor. And I am leading the continuing education program. I’ve had to pull back from it a little bit. I’m still very much involved. I’m also working pretty, pretty much around the clock on the tariff implementation program. So we don’t need to go into that here, but I know that your listeners will be very, very in tune with all the developments going on in that arena. I have been working on continuing education since about 2010 2011 and that was in the very early stages when it was basically a twinkle in our eye in terms of an idea. In the summer of 2012 I went around to quite a few ports around the country, including El Paso, and talked to brokers associations about what would you all think about in terms of a continuing education requirement? There were other things we were talking about as well, such as national permits and the right to make entry, and we were just getting some feedback from those of you who it was going to impact most at that time, I would say we were sort of a mixed bag in terms of support, versus a little bit more hesitant. I would say that that has dissipated almost completely now over the years, things have just changed a lot. Think about everything that has happened between sort of the 2012 timeframe and June of 2023 which is when the regulation finally became a final true regulation, and in the Code of Federal Regulations. You know, we’ve had TIF Tia, which did all sorts of things. We’ve had forced labor. Drawback has, of course, been entirely reformed. Things like Ace came to full fruition. When I first started on this project. We were still doing that mixed bag of ACS for some transactions, Ace for others. You know, quota was still basically be Pro bit programmed by hand, still a lot of paper, and now all that automation has really come full force. Obviously, we can always be making improvements to ace and Ace programming, but we’re essentially automated now, and one of the biggest changes for brokers over the last five years has been you’ve all gone national. Everybody now has a national permit, which makes your reach, your influence, just that much greater, and your ability to reach customers across the country now across the world, is has really been amplified with automation and the new National permit framework. So, oh, sorry, go ahead. Lalo No, no, no, no. Go ahead. Keep, keep, keep on going with your thoughts. Speaker 1 Okay, so when we put the final rule came into effect in in 2023 in June, but we still had a program to build, and that included soliciting for the accreditors, choosing the accreditors, then sitting with the accreditors to work out basically what we call standard operating procedures. SOPs, a very bureaucratic word, but what it does is it makes sure that regardless of whether you’re an education provider or somebody who’s looking to get education, when you come to an accreditor, you know what to expect, how fast you can expect it, and everybody gets fair treatment, particularly when it comes to cost and review. So that was really important for us to work together as a group. Each accreditor is not actually they that we are not an official group that all coordinates, necessarily, but we do work together. Each accreditor is allowed to work pretty independently, and then they report back in, and if there are any issues, we work together as a group. So we hashed that out in July of last year, and by November, we were ready to go. We were ready to put this program in place, and we wanted to do it in a way that was that got everybody going as quickly as possible, but that didn’t make it too hard and require you to get too many credits in too short a period of time. And here we were in the middle of your triennial cycle, which, of course, you know, begins on the 20 every three years. This is 2024 when it started. It will end in 2027 and we wanted to figure out something that we did in between so that you wouldn’t have to get the full 36 credits. One of the reasons why we chose 36 credits was because it breaks out really nicely to one credit a month over three years. So that meant that depending on what we were doing, depending on what. You as brokers were doing that it would be fairly easy for us to prorate. It just makes things very simple. One hour a month, very easy to count. That doesn’t mean you have to take one hour a month, but we’ll get to that in a minute. But what that means is, for this triennial cycle, we were going to make a shortened number of credits that you had to obtain normally, it’s 36 over three years, as you said, and I have, and this triennial cycle, it will only be 20 that gives you basically two years since January to get 20 credit hours. We said, Why not go 24 and our leadership at CPP was really, really adamant that we again be very mindful of this first triennial cycle, when it’s a new requirement for everybody, that we give people a little grace. So we started with 20. So you’ll need 20 hours of continuing education credit by the end of the triennial period. In that ends in 2027 Lalo and then you had let me, let me go back a little bit with a few things that you said about when you all were going through the implement, not implementation, but I guess, just the research and, yeah, the development and trying to get through, you know, talking to other associations and even local, local brokers in the up and down the border. But let me ask you, so we’re not, it’s not a it’s not a question, so much as it is a statement, in the sense that early on, and, let’s say late last year and early this year, like let’s say, let’s give it a month before and a month after. We did get to see, and I kind of want to make this clear also for everyone, we did get to see some pushback. And you said it yourself, you know, now it seems like it’s actually generally accepted, but at first, you know, there might have been a little bit back and forth with some folks, but as an educator, we used to get the calls and the and the emails and saying that, that this is just a money grab. You know, here we are just wanting to to to provide education for money. But what we do here at global Training Center, and I want everybody to be very clear about this, is that what we do is that when we do hear that, we not only publish on our website, but we also even let people know that there’s a lot of free training out there. There’s a lot of free training provided by even us. I mean, we provide free free webinars, but there’s CBP, there’s other Oga or or PGAS, you know, partnering government agencies. There’s associations. I mean, there’s lots of associations that do this. It’s for free, and you can earn your credits that way. I mean, we went through and we started counting at one point how many free sessions that we can count, government and and private. And by middle of this year, we easily counted the 20 credits that you needed, you know, so it’s available. And I just kind of want to make that clear and and I’m sure you all work that into the program so that it so that it’s available. Speaker 1 What a great comment. Yes, that was of utmost importance to us. Not only that it be low cost or free, but that you don’t didn’t need to be a member of something in order to have that opportunity. You didn’t necessarily have to travel unless you wanted to. You know we were mindful of that before the pandemic, but you know during the pandemic, the only opportunities we would have had would have been virtual. So we wanted to make sure that there were virtual opportunities. Is there an opportunity, if it happens live, or can you participate live, but if you’re not able to participate live, is there a recording that you can watch later and still get the credit? That was really, really important to us that we offer a wide variety, wide variety and array of topics and opportunities. So that if there was, for example, an import in person port trade day, a lot of the ports do that, yes, you would be able to participate. But if you’re in Detroit, there’s not a good chance that you’re going to come down to El Paso and participate in your trade day. So we will, you know, we wanted to be able to offer a lot online. And for CBP, what that means is a lot of the commodity webinars that our national commodity specialist division puts together, they put those online. They are available for recording, or, sorry, available for playback later, later, after the session is actually over and they’re up online for more than, you know, a few months, or something like that. They’re up there for a good long time, and it’s an opportunity for you to be able to get your education on your own. Time and for again, there’s the cost of your time to participate, but you don’t have to get on an airplane or register for a conference, right? Lalo And that happened, actually earlier this month we had our local one. Now the El Paso had, Speaker 1 yeah, I really wanted to come. I wished everyone well wishes. Yeah. I hope it was a great event. It was a Lalo really good event. And of course, being to be having attended previous ones, this one was really full. It was well attended. It was really neat. Because, you know, when you get to talk to the several of the representatives from the Centers, from the different, from the different represented, you know, partnering government agency, etc. But the reason I want to bring that up is because, in developing the program, I understand also that you all have allocated the hours, because not every hour is worth an hour, right? I mean, depending on the format, so there’s live, there’s recorded, there’s like the trade day, there’s, like, Port visits, for example, that also count, but not everything that not because you’re there four hours. Is it going to be a full four hours credits? I guess it depends on that. And can you explain a little bit about that? Speaker 1 Yeah, um, I’ll talk to you from the government side. The accreditors do things their way. But where it’s very similar, it’s very it’s parallel very often at these conferences or or single day events, there’s an opening breakfast, for example, or there’s an hour and a half allocated for lunch, or there’s a half an hour for lunch, but the full time for lunch is an hour hour and a half because there’s a keynote speaker in the middle of it. So we take a look at the agenda. We don’t take a look at like, well, is this a topic we really need to be discussing with the brokers? Of course it is. Somebody put it on the agenda from CBP. Of course it matters. But we wanted to to peel off those pieces. Usually they’re very small on cbp events, peel off those pieces that are more social in nature and isn’t truly education. That doesn’t mean there is an importance in them. Obviously, sitting and having breakfast with your colleagues is a networking opportunity and an opportunity to share, but it’s not a formal education sitting or setting like sitting and listening to a speaker talk about your bridge issues, for example, down there, and I’ll pass you on what’s going on with those. So that’s how we take a look at it. We don’t want to minimize the social aspects. We just aren’t counting them for continuing education, credit and education credit and we almost all agendas that are over more than a couple of hours have a break because people need to get up and use the restroom and use get more coffee. Those, those kinds of things are sort of filtered out. It is. It has been much simpler than even we anticipated. We did not think that looking at agenda and trying to figure out how many hours it was going to be is going to be all that hard. It’s turned out to be even simpler than we thought. People, people are very clear in their agendas and what they’re sending to us for things like a webinar. It’s usually much simpler because we are recording it. And we are generally, not necessarily in a studio like this, but somebody is sitting and recording, and we’re beginning and ending at a certain time. So we’re able to tell that this is going to be an hour, hour and a half, and that’s what most of the commodity webinars are at this time. One of the areas that I would definitely like to expand more is our other government agency or participating government agency, depending on which acronym you use, I want to get them more involved. And we have a couple of agencies who’ve done a great job developing content that they can then present, either in webinar form or at a port day that’s happening locally. I want, I want to put that on steroids in the next couple of years. And it’s, it’s difficult. We’re all very large agencies, and finding each other to to talk about this stuff has been a challenge, a little bit of a challenge. Huge challenge. Obviously, we’ve all developed ace together, so we have good, good places to start, right? But, you know, we’re all just large agencies, and it’s often a broker who will come to us and say, Hey, USDA is doing this activity out in San Diego. Is it worth anything? And they’ll talk to the organizer, who then comes to us and says, What? What are they talking about, then we do our education and we walk them through it, and we’re able to give them a code that makes it easier for the broker. So that’s a long way of saying thank you brokerage community and broker community for doing that for us, because that’s really helping connect in those places where we don’t have it well established yet. Because we’re so young, Lalo yeah, and so you just brought up something really interesting, too. So don’t go to an event without leaving without that code. It’s like a serial number, and that, that serial number, or that code, tells CBP and or the accreditor, yeah, yeah. It’s exactly. It tells you exactly when you attend it, and it corresponds, and it cross references with the hours and who, who, who held the event, and our dean, I think that’s pretty cool. I mean, we get we get coach, we’re accrediting to it through at least three accreditors right now, and so, you know, they’re all a little different and all that, but, but, yeah, so, so just make sure you do get that code Correct, correct. Speaker 1 And if you’re putting on an event yourself, come to one of the accreditors to make sure you get those credit codes, not only credit the sign, but also the code and some instructions on advertising, so that people know that this is good for continuing education, Lalo right, right? And I like the, I like the idea of how you all have the official logo, the CBP, yeah, Speaker 1 trying to get that. We’re actually that is currently with the patent and trademark office right now, yeah, well, well, hopefully we’ll have our little r there very Lalo using, we’re using it anyway, though, right? Yeah, that one is, yeah, exactly, yeah. So it’s not trademark yet, so, but, but y’all keep your hands off of it, because you need to, you need to only display it if you’re you really are accredited. So it’s really cool that that it really does bring credibility. You know, folks come and say, Hey, I understand you’re doing, you’re using, you’re issuing credit. So, you know, that’s why it’s important to me, and and, and to an extent, it’s actually good, because you’re actually getting someone who is screening your training. It’s not just me saying that’s a good training, you know, just go ahead and attend. You know, it’s someone else confirming and saying, you know, your training is worth this many points. It’s really cool when you get hour for our match, you know? So, so that means that they do feel that that is going to match up really good with with the hours and the the actual time spent and the credits issued so but let’s go back a little bit also, you had said a little bit earlier how a lot of things were changing in the broker community. You know, you specifically talked about TIF Tia, not talked about it, but mentioned it and but there was also some changes with broker requirements with part 111 and do you feel that this also helps with that? Speaker 1 Definitely the purpose of a lot of these requirements was it was sort of two different layers here. The first was to take advantage of as much automation and and address modernization of the trade environment as much as possible. The local permit process and program great for what it was when it started, way back when, 1960s I believe we don’t live in a local port environment anymore. We just don’t and having the ability to look at transactions nationally for us, at the center level, at the centers of excellence and expertise across an industry, was huge and groundbreaking for us, and we wanted to make sure that the broker community had that same level of insight and abilities that we were now. We now had that visibility into so that was really important. The other piece of it is, is more on the professionalization brokers are one of the most diverse groups of folks in a professional setting that I have ever met. Your backgrounds are wildly different. Some of you are actually lawyers. Some of you grew up at in a border community and worked at your parents brokerage, and grew up actually through the trade. Some of you started off as like an admin assistant for a broker or a logistics provider, and sort of you know, started absorbing the things that were around you, and some mentor tapped you on the shoulder and said, You know what? You should try taking the broker exam. You’re really good at this stuff. And voila, you passed the exam and you became a broker. There’s such a different way to get to to being a broker that it’s it’s difficult for us to, you know. So it’s difficult to describe one path, because there just isn’t, you know, and we have plenty of folks that, you know, I got a comparative religion degree from Evergreen College, and, you know, or I was planning on becoming an actor, you know, that kind of thing, that where your your college or educational background is, is much different. You have a college degree, but it’s not in anything trade related, and yet, here you are. Now. You’re a broker. So one of the ways that we were looking to to sort of bring everybody up to a professional level, so that we were on par with other professions, such as accounting, the legal profession, real estate, doctors, yes, we all do very different things. That’s not the point. The point is that all of them have a continuing education, re education component to them, and it’s important to keep up and that we wanted to just solidify that a little bit more in a regulatory framework at the same time, while providing folks as much flexibility in the topics you could attain continuing education for as well as the method in which you attained it, Lalo right, right? Yeah. And just a little bit of a side note there. It’s funny that you say that we all end up here in trade. And I don’t think I really met too many people, very small handful. I mean, I’m literally very, like, less than a 1% who actually said, Yeah, I want to be in trade. You know, you kind of accidentally, yeah. People normally say I stayed at work too late. And so, you know, they they picked me out of that group because I’m the one that stayed at work late enough. And they’re like, Hey, why don’t you do this? And you end up, yeah. And speaking of which, so now let’s go into that. So someone studies, takes the exam, passes the exam, by the way, very difficult to pass, and so you’ve really earned it. If you passed it. You be very proud of that. And be very proud of that title, you know, LCB, everybody likes to use that. And I mean, be very proud of it. Don’t be ashamed of it, because it is actually very hard to get the your brokers exam, but I mean a broker’s license. But let’s talk about that a little bit. Not, not about the exam or anything. I’m sorry. Let’s talk about once someone becomes a broker, I become a broker. Today, I still have about a year and a half left in my triennial good news, right? I don’t need to take my credits, right? Speaker 1 That you said something. It’s very difficult to pass the exam. You’ve really earned your way. We agree, and to that extent, we are only requiring continuing education following the first triennial in which you get your license. So I think you said it better. So I’m going to repeat what you said, which is, I get it today. I don’t have to start thinking about continuing education until January of 2027, and then I can begin. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t attend the conferences. And if your boss says, hey, get yourself to that trade day, that’s fine. It just means that you don’t have to, you don’t have to attain and report your education for this triennial cycle, Lalo and in this day and age, because of the way trade is changing. And nobody knows better than you guys over at CBP, but the way, the way things are, you know, getting a little disrupted. I don’t see anyone really not saying I don’t want to go to a training or an event because of that. I mean, you need to stay out. Yeah, definitely. And you’re and you’re cheating your customers. Let’s just say that, you know, because you need to almost be on up to date to I mean, today we’re recording this on the day that the de minimis was eliminated. And let’s just say that much. I mean, there is a lot that your customers are asking, you know, the ones that used to import under de minimis without duty free. So anyway, we’re not into that. Let’s just go on with more on the accreditation. So let me ask you. So, in essence, there’s actually six accreditors because the government is one of them, right? I mean, can I fairly say that? Speaker 1 But for yourself, credit, I wouldn’t accredit something you offered Lalo no, no, right, right? It’s only for government stuff. Yeah. So, so, Speaker 1 so we approve, we call it assigning credits to something we are not assessing whether it is worthy of education or not, simply because someone like a port director is not going to have a frivolous, pointless event that doesn’t relay any information that’s just not. What the port director in a port does, he does not have, or she does not have that kind of time to just like, right? Let’s kick back and we’ll Lalo talk about Taylor Swift and getting engaged, right? Like, we just Speaker 1 assume that if you’re gathering people, it’s meaningful. And I know those trade days I, like, we said, I hadn’t attended this year’s in El Paso, but I did attend last year’s, and it goes off, like, yeah. Like, butter, yeah. And there was a heck of a lot of work that went into those trade days, yeah. You know, the speakers show up and they they do their their presentation, but the amount of work and logistics that went into it. So those trade days are a great resource for everybody. You know, some of the brokerage communities, for example, in in Laredo, they do a monthly meeting, and they have for quite a while that they coordinate with the local CBP folks. And they just once they’re done with their meeting part, you know, the part where, you know the Roberts Rules, and do I see a motion to do this? After that part of the meeting is over, they go into presentations. And those presentations last, you know, most of the day into the afternoon. You know, those are just fantastic opportunities. And I, I, I realize not every port can do that, not every local broker association can do that. I get it, but for those of you who have that opportunity, wow, I’m very envious. It’s, it’s, it’s great. It’s great to be able to interact with CBP in that way and then get continuing education credit for while you’re at it. Yeah? Lalo No, I totally agree with that, yeah. And I guess so I won’t take too much more of your time. Let me ask you a few other things regarding the program, and I guess a few clarifications, not necessarily the program, but clarifications, because as an educator, we obviously provide training and on different topics. And we’ve had some courses, of course that were offered before December 1, 2024 and the same course is being offered even now. Let’s say so like, let’s say curve classification. You know, I had turf classification. And let’s say December. And I have it again here in August. Some folks see it and they’re like, Oh, I get points if I go to the one in August. But they don’t realize that anything prior to 2024 even though, if it’s the exact same course, you’re still not going to get credit for it. I mean, folks were, were, were saying, But wait, it’s within the triennials. It is and it isn’t, you know, for the lines, yeah, yeah. So, so, so that’s, that’s the case, right? Some folks might think that they just because they went to a conference last year, and it was they spent three days there, that they might actually get 1015, 20 points. That’s not the case, because it was last year. It’s as of January 1, 2025, correct. Correct. Speaker 1 There’s some small exceptions to that. They’re all on the government side, and that is those commodity webinars that recorded maybe last summer are still available for you to take today, and there’s a couple of reasons for that. Commodities changed less over that period of time than the overall trade environment. They were recorded so you can get to them easily. They’re a government offering, so they’re free. And you know, we just wanted to have something available starting on January 1, and that’s what the government had available. Because we have those recordings from from November or, sorry, from 2024 what we found out in November is not all of them were posting very well. So folks that wanted to look at them like, say, last August, weren’t able to so that was another reason is that maybe you didn’t get a chance to go to go participate view the 2024, webinars. So we are holding that over the private sector. Though, when you get your accreditation from the accreditor, that is worth one year. So stuff that happened last year. Yes, it’s still within that one year, but we wanted you to start on January 1. We needed to put in a deadline, and we drew that line in the sand on January 1. We’re now reaching the point, though, where it’s it would be out of accreditation anyway, because we’re almost at the end of the year, right? So it this one triennial is a little weird and a little, you know, but wait, it’s not fair. You’ll be over it by the time we go into the next triennial, because by 2028 it will be a completely different situation. There won’t be this halfway for anything. We’ll all be there together. Lalo That’s correct. Um. And then one last, I guess question, if I can, is, so we have five accreditors. They’re all up private sector individuals. They’re not governments. In other words, there is nothing having to do. I mean, there’s a law firm, and if it’s okay, I can name them. If not, we have a law firm, Sandler and Travis and Rosenberg, e merchants, Trade Council, emtc, so I was, she’s gonna kill me. She’s she’s been on our show several times. But anyway, and then we have icpa, who is also an association. We have ncbfa, who’s also a brokers Association. And then lastly, we have true trade solutions with our buddy there, with Trudy Wilson, yes, so, so let’s say I am a group or an association that wants to eventually play in the sandbox. Let’s say I want to, I want to. Yes. When were that? So that’s where my question is going, when or if? Is there going to be an opportunity for anybody to petition again? Because I know that was also in itself a task for you guys, yes. Speaker 1 So that cycle will be announced in the Federal Register. They signed their agreement last year, so they have three years as well. So it will be, we will be out of the triennial reporting cycle in that January, February timeframe, and then in more in the in the March and April timeframe is when we’ll start choosing the next accreditor. We wanted those two things to be a little bit separate from each other, so that from a just from a workload standpoint, and it’s the way it worked out in the cycle. So you will see that solicitation in the Federal Register. I would start looking in the fall of 2026, I would say. And of course, we can do things like post CSMs messages, letting you know that it’s out there, and then we’ll provide in that, in that federal register notice and CSMs message, what you need to do, the requirements for applying that kind of thing. There are a few things that we do differently from the last solicitation cycle, but it’s that’s really inside baseball. It’s it’s not, it’s all little stuff that no one would be really be aware of. We just want a few things that we want to be a little bit more seamless. And then we will do pretty much the same thing that we did this last time, where we’ll give you an opportunity to interview with us, and then, you know, we’ll review your application, score it, and let you know whether or not you were chosen. Lalo Okay, great. Thank you. And so anything I might have missed that you need to get out of and and before we close out, or, Speaker 1 I guess it’s, it’s more, you know, the human wisdom of, don’t wait until the last minute. It’s, you know, it is possible for you to sit and listen to 20 webinars in you know, your Christmas break of 2026, you’re not making any friends that way. And presumably you had other things you wanted to do. You know, the reason why we did one month or one credit a month is because that feels attainable when you sit. And think about it, that sitting and dedicating an hour of your life, even if it has to be outside of your regular work hours, which we understand, sometimes it does that that’s doable. That said, we provide lots of opportunities, for example, the trades and or, sorry, the trade Summit. I I’m still old school. I call it so sorry. CVP, you know that was worth a whopping 17 so you know you will have opportunities to get a nice big chunk here and there from, from not only private sector activities, but also public sector activities. Just keep track. Keep track. And that is the other thing that I wanted to maybe end with. Is you, as education providers, the associations, the accreditors, CBP, aren’t in charge of keeping track of your education. I know some of the accreditors offer tracking tools so you can use their tools to track but we don’t have a regulatory requirement that’s just that’s just convenience. And take advantage of that as you like, but you are responsible for tracking your own education and keeping the documentation associated with that, so that when we come in with an auditing process in 2027 you’ll be prepared, and you’ll be ready, and that’s the next step for us. Is, is putting together the final touches on what is an editing process or auditing process going to look like, so that we do it fairly and we do it judicial. Consciously, and so that we get the information we need while having the lowest impact on all of you. So that’s sort of the next step in this, in this project, until we get everything automated in 2026 at the end of 2026 and are ready for you to report with your training and only 2027 Nice. Lalo So all there, and so there’s, there should be no more questions or doubts. Okay, everyone. So I’ll put a link on our website directly to this one and to the one before. So all your questions are answered before we leave. Though, I do want to say and and give a shout out to to Trish, on your, on your, on your public relations. And she is amazing. Anyone. I want to let everyone know, if you want and you and you you’re looking to get, you know, talk to CBP, or have them show up and everything. These folks work really hard at trying to accommodate this. And believe me, you know her and I have been working through this and other speaking engagements, and they deserve a lot of credit. Thank you so much. Trish and you, I agree. I just want to give a shout out, because they’re the unsung heroes, believe me, because you’re not getting to talk to anyone at CBP without, without their help. So with, with, with a public relations group there. So anyway, but thank you, Linda. Thank you so much. Hope I’ll run into you in a conference or an event here pretty soon, and and we’ll be able to catch up and and just Speaker 1 talk. I look forward to it. I look forward to it. Lalo Thank you, Linda, Yes, uh huh. Have a good one. You.